Alright since you are trying to be so negligent towards your responsibility from this mistake, I will prove that you were aware and directly responsible for this transaction, and from anyone's perspective with some decent logic - gave approval to proceed.
https://ibb.co/album/DHJt5W - 3 screenshots of the chat for the yellow comments references showing @SonicRefs was active and reading messages and authorizing of his workers behavior
sh
@kayyashtrayy
You can purchase one from us - your worker says purchase from "US" , that implies - from YOUR SERVICE. He is YOUR employee, YOU saw this message.
This easy hit for it
T
11:07
tk
how much?
@
11:10
@kayyashtrayy
175
11:10
@kayyashtrayy
175
T
11:10
tk
its too much for me at this moment
11:10
somehow i can do without it?
@
11:10
@kayyashtrayy
@s0nicrefs I’ll do 150 for him on this. - WORKER PINGS YOU TO ADJUST PRICE, SEEMS LIKE HE IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO ADJUST YOUR SERVICE PRICE
11:11
Best rn for your work btw
T
11:11
tk
but lets say in the future
11:11
i hit apple
11:11
it would he usefull
11:11
to have also this bank?
THEN 2 HOURS LATER AFTER I PURCHASE PANA
i will leti know
13:20
when i place order
13:20
in a couple hrs prob
13:20
but the 20% when i need to pay?
13:21
can i pay when it arrives?
@
13:21
@kayyashtrayy
Place first
13:21
In reply to this message
Yes
?
T
13:22
Just update your shipping billing attached to the card and you’re all good
13:22
In reply to this message
If this proxy works then stick with it
13:23
@s0nicrefs can you read dms ? [font]- YOU THUMB UP THIS MESSAGE SHOWING DIRECTLY THAT YOU ARE PRESENT AND THAT YOU APPROVE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING[/font]
?
ㅤ
T
15:25
tk
they will not freeze 2.5k topup
15:25
?
15:25
pana
THEN AFTER DRAINING ME YOU RESPOND THE SAME MINUTE
you drained me
16:23
man
16:23
@s0nicrefs
@
16:23
@kayyashtrayy
Yooo what??????
T
16:24
tk
how man
@
16:25
@kayyashtrayy
Try sign out and login again
ㅤ
16:25
ㅤ
wtf is that ?
16:25
@kayyashtrayy
T
16:25
tk
your worker drained me
16:25
for 2.5k
ㅤ
16:26
ㅤ
call amazon - YOUR INSTANT RESPONSE
16:26
and cancel it
16:26
@kayyashtrayy wtf is that
16:26
reply now
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Now to counter your points, since you are completely contradicting and lying:
“the only ‘active transaction’ i was part of is the amazon pre verified account sale”
This is false - your worker said “you can purchase one from us” and you were present and reacting in the same chat after that. That makes you active in the broader process, not just the Amazon part.
“i didn’t sell him the bank”
You didn’t personally take payment, but your worker - inside your group - offered and sold a service under “us”. That ties it directly to your operation, not a random third party.
“he chose the vendor on his own”
This is false - I didn’t go find @kayyashtrayy. You introduced him, put him in the group and had him already working with me. Continuing with him is not an independent choice.
“my responsibility is only what I directly profit from”
That’s not how responsibility works - it comes from control of the environment. You created the setup, introduced the worker and allowed him to operate in it. Your worker pinged you to adjust price of the bank sale, anyone would assume he is asking for your approval for the price, and you later reacting to messages that you are reading them, well that means you are approving of everything that is going on.
“this was a separate deal”
It wasn’t separate - it happened in the same group, same worker, same flow, right after the Amazon setup. There was no break or separation from your service. And you were again, approving of it by reacting thumbs up to the question are you reading the messages.
“i didn’t use him for the bank sale”
You didn’t stop him either - he offered it in your group, pinged you and you stayed present and reacting. That is allowing him to operate under your watch.
“i don’t check groups after I finish my part”
That’s contradicted by the logs - you were clearly present, reacting (thumbs up) and responding during the exact time the bank deal was happening.
“you paid him, not me”
Irrelevant - your worker took payment inside your system. If your rule is that only you take payments, then your own system failed under your supervision. And it seemed like you let him take over, since you just thumbed up like a busy boss.
“this is not my process”
Exactly, your worker broke your own process inside your group, while you were there. That’s either lack of enforcement or lack of control - both still your responsibility. But this literally happened with you being aware of it - again since you were reacting to messages even after the bank sale that you are reading the chat.
“i’m not responsible for what he does”
You are when:
you introduce him
you put him in a live transaction
you let him operate in your group
and you stay present while it happens
“if everyone was responsible for introductions…”
This is not a random introduction - this is a worker you assigned, inside your transaction environment, interacting with your customer in real time.
and to finish off because this is dragging too long for a simple scam case:
The chat logs clearly show that @SonicRefs was present, aware and actively engaging during the entire process, he was not uninvolved. His worker explicitly said “you can purchase one from us” which from any perspective implies the service is being offered under @sonicrefs’ operation, not as some unrelated third party. When the worker quoted the price and even pinged @SonicRefs to adjust it, there was no objection or correction — only continued presence. Then during the transaction, the worker pinged @SonicRefs and he responded with reactions (thumbs up) confirming he was actively reading and aware of what was happening in real time. He reacted to messages after the Pana account sale and not long from me asking if I can place order. He was active and present. Finally, the moment the funds were drained, he responded immediately in the same chat, which further proves he was monitoring the situation the entire time. This shows clear awareness, implicit approval and involvement, meaning this was not an independent deal but something happening within his service environment under his watch with his provided worker. If I am buying a service, and the SERVICE owner is putting thumbs up that he is reading messages after the bank sale, and his employee is phrasing the bank sale as you can buy from us, pardon my french, but why THE HELL, would I assume that I am about to get scammed?
This is a horrible case of scamming and a bad standard for the community. I hope people can see that. Please pay attention to the chat log and you will understand me and my points. Everything was implied that this is one continuous service with Sonics direct approval by him responding and being active in the group chat that he initiated.
And honestly I am massively dissapointed by the lack of your integrity as a one of the biggest operators on the forum making big money. You are trying to so hard to run away from responsibility but then why did you not intervene if you were present? You saw that your worker intervened, I am a first time buyer, I assume that the normal flow of service... and was just following your process and you reacting to messages with approval thumbs up - anyone wouldn't assume i am about to get robbed for 3k if the big boss is watching and approving.
why is your worker operating outside of your TOS? punish him not me.
https://ibb.co/album/DHJt5W - 3 screenshots of the chat for the yellow comments references showing @SonicRefs was active and reading messages and authorizing of his workers behavior
sh
@kayyashtrayy
You can purchase one from us - your worker says purchase from "US" , that implies - from YOUR SERVICE. He is YOUR employee, YOU saw this message.
This easy hit for it
T
11:07
tk
how much?
@
11:10
@kayyashtrayy
175
11:10
@kayyashtrayy
175
T
11:10
tk
its too much for me at this moment
11:10
somehow i can do without it?
@
11:10
@kayyashtrayy
@s0nicrefs I’ll do 150 for him on this. - WORKER PINGS YOU TO ADJUST PRICE, SEEMS LIKE HE IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO ADJUST YOUR SERVICE PRICE
11:11
Best rn for your work btw
T
11:11
tk
but lets say in the future
11:11
i hit apple
11:11
it would he usefull
11:11
to have also this bank?
THEN 2 HOURS LATER AFTER I PURCHASE PANA
i will leti know
13:20
when i place order
13:20
in a couple hrs prob
13:20
but the 20% when i need to pay?
13:21
can i pay when it arrives?
@
13:21
@kayyashtrayy
Place first
13:21
In reply to this message
Yes
?
T
13:22
Just update your shipping billing attached to the card and you’re all good
13:22
In reply to this message
If this proxy works then stick with it
13:23
@s0nicrefs can you read dms ? [font]- YOU THUMB UP THIS MESSAGE SHOWING DIRECTLY THAT YOU ARE PRESENT AND THAT YOU APPROVE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING[/font]
?
ㅤ
T
15:25
tk
they will not freeze 2.5k topup
15:25
?
15:25
pana
THEN AFTER DRAINING ME YOU RESPOND THE SAME MINUTE
you drained me
16:23
man
16:23
@s0nicrefs
@
16:23
@kayyashtrayy
Yooo what??????
T
16:24
tk
how man
@
16:25
@kayyashtrayy
Try sign out and login again
ㅤ
16:25
ㅤ
wtf is that ?
16:25
@kayyashtrayy
T
16:25
tk
your worker drained me
16:25
for 2.5k
ㅤ
16:26
ㅤ
call amazon - YOUR INSTANT RESPONSE
16:26
and cancel it
16:26
@kayyashtrayy wtf is that
16:26
reply now
-----------------------------------------------
Now to counter your points, since you are completely contradicting and lying:
“the only ‘active transaction’ i was part of is the amazon pre verified account sale”
This is false - your worker said “you can purchase one from us” and you were present and reacting in the same chat after that. That makes you active in the broader process, not just the Amazon part.
“i didn’t sell him the bank”
You didn’t personally take payment, but your worker - inside your group - offered and sold a service under “us”. That ties it directly to your operation, not a random third party.
“he chose the vendor on his own”
This is false - I didn’t go find @kayyashtrayy. You introduced him, put him in the group and had him already working with me. Continuing with him is not an independent choice.
“my responsibility is only what I directly profit from”
That’s not how responsibility works - it comes from control of the environment. You created the setup, introduced the worker and allowed him to operate in it. Your worker pinged you to adjust price of the bank sale, anyone would assume he is asking for your approval for the price, and you later reacting to messages that you are reading them, well that means you are approving of everything that is going on.
“this was a separate deal”
It wasn’t separate - it happened in the same group, same worker, same flow, right after the Amazon setup. There was no break or separation from your service. And you were again, approving of it by reacting thumbs up to the question are you reading the messages.
“i didn’t use him for the bank sale”
You didn’t stop him either - he offered it in your group, pinged you and you stayed present and reacting. That is allowing him to operate under your watch.
“i don’t check groups after I finish my part”
That’s contradicted by the logs - you were clearly present, reacting (thumbs up) and responding during the exact time the bank deal was happening.
“you paid him, not me”
Irrelevant - your worker took payment inside your system. If your rule is that only you take payments, then your own system failed under your supervision. And it seemed like you let him take over, since you just thumbed up like a busy boss.
“this is not my process”
Exactly, your worker broke your own process inside your group, while you were there. That’s either lack of enforcement or lack of control - both still your responsibility. But this literally happened with you being aware of it - again since you were reacting to messages even after the bank sale that you are reading the chat.
“i’m not responsible for what he does”
You are when:
you introduce him
you put him in a live transaction
you let him operate in your group
and you stay present while it happens
“if everyone was responsible for introductions…”
This is not a random introduction - this is a worker you assigned, inside your transaction environment, interacting with your customer in real time.
and to finish off because this is dragging too long for a simple scam case:
The chat logs clearly show that @SonicRefs was present, aware and actively engaging during the entire process, he was not uninvolved. His worker explicitly said “you can purchase one from us” which from any perspective implies the service is being offered under @sonicrefs’ operation, not as some unrelated third party. When the worker quoted the price and even pinged @SonicRefs to adjust it, there was no objection or correction — only continued presence. Then during the transaction, the worker pinged @SonicRefs and he responded with reactions (thumbs up) confirming he was actively reading and aware of what was happening in real time. He reacted to messages after the Pana account sale and not long from me asking if I can place order. He was active and present. Finally, the moment the funds were drained, he responded immediately in the same chat, which further proves he was monitoring the situation the entire time. This shows clear awareness, implicit approval and involvement, meaning this was not an independent deal but something happening within his service environment under his watch with his provided worker. If I am buying a service, and the SERVICE owner is putting thumbs up that he is reading messages after the bank sale, and his employee is phrasing the bank sale as you can buy from us, pardon my french, but why THE HELL, would I assume that I am about to get scammed?
This is a horrible case of scamming and a bad standard for the community. I hope people can see that. Please pay attention to the chat log and you will understand me and my points. Everything was implied that this is one continuous service with Sonics direct approval by him responding and being active in the group chat that he initiated.
And honestly I am massively dissapointed by the lack of your integrity as a one of the biggest operators on the forum making big money. You are trying to so hard to run away from responsibility but then why did you not intervene if you were present? You saw that your worker intervened, I am a first time buyer, I assume that the normal flow of service... and was just following your process and you reacting to messages with approval thumbs up - anyone wouldn't assume i am about to get robbed for 3k if the big boss is watching and approving.
why is your worker operating outside of your TOS? punish him not me.
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